I see someone has got some personal feelings they've been bottling up for a long time. The tornado as a rune was created by Painkiller, but the tornado in concept wasn't created by any of us judging by the original code, it looks like you found it elsewhere and turned it into a rune.
I did revamp the code, I made the model stand up instead of lay down, I made it move up and dart all over the place instead of just sitting in one spot. I reduced some of the code to make it smaller. I made it so it would actually speed up instead of starting a full speed.
When you see things like this "//IEEE: Turn it up so it looks more like a tornado", that's a comment, not a claim of ownership.
Please point me at the location where it says I created it? I've always been careful to give the proper idea and coder creators credit, but in this case we were not the only parties involved since the Tornado was created by someone else.
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I'll type slowly so even you can understand. The Rune of Darkness and the Sonar rune are both from a QW mod written in 1998. The web site where I obtained the code listed "Singe" as the creator of the runes.
Now this subject is extremely moot, this is just a case of 2 rune ideas being created originally by two different people. Singe may have his versions which I'm sure are totally different than mine, while I have my version that are totally different than his, but with the same names.
If you don't think this is possible then how did you come up with a Body Odor rune when I came up with one as well?Simple logic; everyone but you, PK, is in an extremely limited enviroment where there are no new models and no new sounds.
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So by your reasoning, Slot should give you credit for any of your code that's used BUT both Slot and I should receive zero credit (by deleting any mention of our names both in your source code and on other Quake message boards).
I'm a bit confused by your logic, IEEE. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me?
I think this is a whole "who screwed who first" deal.
IEEE, Saleen, Dolemite, Lefty, and the rest work to create a standard map pack so people won't have to always download new stuff, "Screw them".
IEEE offered to code new runes for submission to Rune Quake; DENIED. So I didn't have anywhere to code and show runes.
We start our own servers, decide to give the mod a new name so people don't mistake what we created for normal Rune Quake. Dolemite likes the name "Rune Quake Advanced" just to spite Slot, so it becomes that (That and Dolemite pretty much did everything so fast there was no other option, buying the domain and the hosting).
That was the start of the big divide right there and the birth of a different mod name.
Some key parties never liked it when I would work with PK or Slot, that naturally made it hard on my half because I can be very forgiving about what you guys did to the map project (but with the flaw of bringing up the past). So that always brought up issues of "who's side is IEEE on" and ultimately no one ever trusted me and my choices were always viewed and/or "outranked" sending me flying out the door.
So mostly it was encouraged that I remove all the names of the two disliked ones Slot and PK, but to counter that I also removed my name. So the end result was a pretty much creditless code base.
Dolemite was the one who pointed at what Slot had JUST added in his GPL and noted that this was added just as we were starting to work on a new version, so he saw this as a threat from Slot and this was the trigger that made us remove all the headers. It did say something to the point that we couldn't refer to Slot in any of the documents.
But that's all history, the future can be changed.
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Runes I've created were listed with you being the author on your message board and my name stripped out of the comment section in the code itself.
I do think you're being unfair and maybe missing a few key bits of information PK. I always tried my best to give you credit where credit was due, but I almost never put names on stuff (except in this version where I give the runes credits to their original mod via a file extension
http://www.rqplus.com/html/downloads/rqpv0.5.3.zip, and don't say "You did this just because of this topic!" because I didn't, it's been like that ever since Slot started adding new runes, I put the extensions there so he would know where the runes came from).
And PK, even when I recreated a rune idea by you I gave you credit, remember the FishGun? I even called it Fighting Fish and I still put your name right there in the rune description.
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else if (type == RN_FISH)
{
d1 = "Turns your rocket launcher into a fish\n";
d2 = "fighting fish launcher\nIdeas based on PK's FishGun";
}
So if you think I would willingly go out and copy rune ideas right under your nose and claim credit for them then you must not think very much of me. Let alone copy Singe's and then claim them as my own, which is not what happened. We just happened to come up with the same ideas by ourselves with no influence from the other.
I could pull up the proof that the idea of Touch of Death was mine, you just ran with the idea. Your board seems to be missing that post, but if I recall you deleted everything on your board once and it must've been around that time.
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